If you frequent my website, you are surely familiar with the Zeiss ZF.2 line of lenses. They are considered the high end of DSLR lenses in terms of quality and price, unrivaled german engineering. But recently, a new crop of cheap-o lenses have made their way across the ocean and are really giving Zeiss a run for it’s money. Shooters originally became aware of the cheap new opticsin the form of an 85mm f/1.4 high speed prime. Samyang, a Korean CCTV lens manufacturer realized that their low light security camera lenses could easily be re-mounted and produced with common DSLR mounts such as Nikon F and Canon Eos. The 85mm f/1.4 that they produced was a simple solution to a new age problem, a basic manual focus, manual aperture lens with no funny acronyms or clever buttons, in fact, very similar to Zeiss’ ZF.2 line of lenses. Samyang went on to produce more focal lengths but didn’t have an outlet for the US or EU market. A simple badge and name change allowed Samyang to sell their new lenses as Rokinon and Bower lenses. Several clients contacted me asking if I had seen or used the Samyang lenses to which I replied, “Where do I buy one?”. Eventually a client sent me the Bower version of the recently released 35mm f/1.4 high speed lens to receive our Cine-Mod. He wanted to use the Bower 35mm f/1.4 Canon Eos mount on his Sony F3, but it needed a gear for follow focus, a common 80mm front, and the click-stops taken out of the iris. I told him I hadn’t modified one of those before but I would be glad to give it a go. Sure enough, the Cine-Mod went great. The lens works very well as a motion picture lens once Cine-Modded. This got me thinking, how good? I started to compare it to the recently released Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 ZF.2. At first glance, the obvious differences are the materials used. The Bower lens uses a plastic exterior shell, aluminum core, and various materials for the internal mechanical components. The Zeiss uses nothing but high quality aluminum and steel components which make is a solid beast of a lens. Easily the heaviest of the ZF.2 series, the 35mm f/1.4 ZF.2 weighs in at 1lb, 14.7oz. whereas the Bower and it’s plastic shell weigh in at 1lb, 8.7oz. Not a huge difference, but certainly noticeable, in hand. Another minor difference is the length of each lens. The Bower is longer by about half an inch, probably because of an additional shell that keeps the Bower a constant length, internal focus. The Zeiss is slightly shorter but extends to about the same length at minimum focus.
Now onto the juicy stuff. A price tag of $1,843 makes the Zeiss lens a hefty purchase for a budget shooter, whereas the Bower totes a relatively tiny price tag of only $500. One would assume the difference in image quality would be reflected in the generous price gap. You’d be surprised… The resolution is so similar, it’s difficult to tell the difference without really scrutinizing the results. Also, note the difference in field of view. The Bower lens has a field of view more similar to that of a 30mm when the Zeiss maintains a 35mm field of view. Not a big deal, but something to be aware of.
The next sample is a center crop of the two full images. I converted the larger images to black and white but left the cropped image in full color to show the chromatic aberration and purple fringing exhibited by each lens. There really isn’t much CA or fringing on the Zeiss but a moderate amount on the Bower. The fringing shows up more in less ideal conditions. The bower flares quite a bit when pointed at bright highlights. The Zeiss controls the light a lot better, presumably due to their proprietary T* coating. I threw the two lenses up on some test equipment and found some other flaws with the Bower. The focus marks on the Bower seem to be placed sort of carelessly. The infinity mark didn’t quite line up when set on the auto collimator. The Zeiss was spot on at infinity and every other mark.There was a little bit of lost motion in the Bower, likely due to the cheaper components used in the focus. Lost motion in the focus means that when you rotate the focus scale, it takes a couple degrees to actually move the optics and effectively change your focus distance. The tight tolerances and high quality materials used in the Zeiss keep it tight and accurate. The mechanical feel of each lens is obvious. The Zeiss is bulkier and simply gives it a more professional feel. The focus rotation is about the same on each.
I wish I could say the Zeiss blows the Bower out of the water. But the truth is, if I was looking for a high speed, budget 35mm, the Bower is a great option and really makes one wonder why the Zeiss is so much more expensive. Zeiss caters more toward the professional HDSLR video shooter with it’s reliability and slightly higher image quality. If you’re looking to get that low-light shot and don’t have production expense card, go with the Bower. If you are building up a high quality set or primes and want to add a fast 35mm to your set, go with the Zeiss. I think in the long run it will be worth the extra dollars. Obviously I’m partial to the Zeiss since I grew up with names like Zeiss, Leica, Angenieux, etc… But the facts are here. You decide what works for you.
All I ever want to do after leaving your blog is buy more stuff…. Thanks for the post Matt!
Greg-
Matthew, how do they compare with Nikkors?
The brand new Nikkor 35mm f/1.4 is a really nice lens, optically. But I wouldn’t compare it to these two because it lacks a manual aperture ring and has a very loose focus mechanism in order to allow super fast auto focus. Doesn’t work well for motion picture.
How would you compare the Rokinon to Nikkor AI-s lenses? I’m trying to decide between these or Cine-modded Nikkors.
A fair comparison indeed. The Rokinons aren’t by any means the most advanced prime lenses available, but they would be on par with the older Nikon Ais lenses. A few other points to keep in mind: Finding Nikon Ais lenses in good condition can be difficult at best. They are indeed built with higher quality materials and more robust designs, but their age can negate their build quality. The Rokinons can be had brand new and with all the cine bells and whistles at a fraction of the price. In most cases, I would recommend the Rokinons over Nikon Ais lenses unless the Nikons in question are in excellent condition.
Thanks for taking a look at Sam Yang. I just bought their 85mm, and am looking forward to the release of the 24mm 1.4 before the end of the year. I have a Zeiss/contac 50mm 1.4 and the 35mm 2.8. Add a manual Nikon 24mm 2.8, and I spent a total of a thousand bucks for a set of excellent glass.
Hey Matthew! I own the 35 and 85 Samyang lenses in Canon mount. I use them on the FS100 and love them! How much do you charges for the cine mod on those lenses?
JP,
The regular, complete Cine-Mod is $250. You can read all about it on our website and FAQ at these links:
http://www.ducloslenses.com/Duclos_Lenses/cine-mod.html
http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/lens-mod-faq/
Have you had a chance to look at the Nikkor 85mm w/stops by itself or vs. the SanYang?
I would like to do a compare featuring the Nikkor 85mm, Samyang 85mm, and Zeiss 85mm, all f/1.4. I’ve seen them all independently, but haven’t directly compared….Yet.
I would love to see that too! That mm and of course the 11-16 Tokina are next on list Thanks
The 35mm and 85mm became my favorite glass on the FS100.
Here is a teaser for my upcoming documentary, shot on that lenses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXt4RkhxTzg
I wish I could have the Samyangs cinefied, but living in Germany, and shipping back and forth over the Atlantic is prohibitive.
Frank
Frank,
Just so you know, you can buy 35mm 1.4 Samyangs that are already de-stepped; you could always sell your current one and buy one of those.
And here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gigel/sets/72157626746203425/detail/ you can see a nice, visual tutorial on how to de-step your 85mm.
Anyway, just thought you might find this useful.
Great coloring work and composition on that trailer.
“The 35mm and 85mm became my favorite glass on the FS100”
Zeiss or Samyang ? 🙂
“I wish I could have the Samyangs cinefied..”
Sorry, already saw the answer … )
Hi Matt!
Do these lenses cover Epic’s sensor? FF35?
Thanks
These lenses cover a sensor area much larger than the Epic. The Epic sensor is only slightly larger than Super 35mm whereas these lenses are designed to work with 35mm Full Frame cameras.
Thank you Matt!!
Great test, and oddly enough…. your discovery the Bower/Samyang is actually a 30mm makes the decision easier to go with it. I need a wide, fast prime. 35mm is so close to my Nikon 50mm F1.4 and Canon Mk1 50mm F1.8. So 5mm more is relatively huge and useful 🙂
I already have the 85mm Vivitar version and actually love it (to my semi-educated eye) on my R1MX.
Matt, how about optical resolution, compared to other lenses, e.g. RPP? What’s you impression?
Them Zeiss look very appealing 🙂
Thanks for sharing, Matt!
As a wannabe purist, the Zeiss is what we all want to reach for. But as a struggling filmmaker, I guess we just need to go for the Bower. Or maybe eat bread only for a month to save up for the Zeiss. Thanks for the great article Matt.
hahaha very true we all want ZEISS , am kind of a struggling filmmaker also, so I will be looking at the Bower for my Sony a7s
hi, u say that the samyang behave more like a 30mm… I tested mine compared to zeiss 35mm f2 and i find the opposite..he looks like a 40mm..zeiss is wider…. any thought?
it breathes like crazy
I should have said “it breathes a bit more than others”
I was following what I had read from others, and it’s definitely not “like crazy”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhymqihngA&feature=player_embedded#t=863s
also, about “the Bower is a great option and really makes one wonder why the Zeiss is so much more expensive”
test bokeh and you’ll get your answer
…and the answer is that counts enormously in photographs and not very much in video. The Zeiss is better in some areas, and the Samyang better in others. The main point is that these lenses are incredible value. I actually prefer their long focus throw as well, longer even than the Zeiss.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I own Zeiss, Rokinon, Nikon and Canon lenses.
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Zeiss is so ridiculosuly overpriced.
People still fall into that psychology that the more expensive it is..the better.
Better or not…they are just way overpriced.
The rokinon is an outstanding manual lens. …and people stop complaining about that it does not have automatic…that is why the price is much lower.
Interesting. I own a 35mm & 18mm Zeiss ZE, this morning I was on a shoot with the Rokinon 35mm and I was confused why the angle of acceptance felt narrower. Such an odd discrepancy! The Rokinon actually has less field of view.
hi! I’m new to your site. Do you know if the rokinon 24, 35, 85 mm t/1.5 lenses are true t/1.5? and if they are, do you know where can I find some transmission tests? I know about dxomark, but they have not tested them yet
thanks
How would you compare samyang with contax zeiss cinemod?
Thanks !
Thanks a lot for your amazing site ! it’s my 1st time here and i spent the last 4 hours without a blank ! why?
because i just bought the Sony A7s, and i have been drowning with lenses, adapters etc.
Now, am seriously thinking about the Bower (ROKINON) but which adapter to work on the sony a7s?
Thanks a lot for your help !